tagging over our area

[BTown]

This is buttaman from B-Town. Things have come to my attention that needs to be handled. First, I Eat Humans (IEH) is trying to become a member of B-Town and he is sticking up for us. Second, the truce mentioned basically states this, we (B-Town and BOW) are allies with respect to each others territory. I have personally been noticing several BOW recruitment tags all over our territory. I have talked to a couple of BOW members & they insist that this is just the work of new members and that this will quit, but it hasn't. I don't believe that IEH has attacked any BOW member and he better not or he will never make it into our group. But these recruitment tags all over B-Town MUST quit. We give you guys your respect now you must return the favor. If you need to contact me, I can usually be found inside the Warehouse near the NT building. We (B-Town) humbly request that the tagging of our town quit or that the BOW leaves the area. We would like to continue to have you guys as allies but not if you are just trying to take over our town. Thank you.

[Skippy]

As one of the founding members of BOW I would first like to apologize about any miscommunication that may have occured up to this point.

I'm going to give it to you straight buttaman. This game (UD) survives on the anonymity of it's players. That being said it is nearly impossible to tell who has been spraying what tags in what areas. This whole situation to me has an air of the pot calling the kettle black, meaning both sides are doing the same thing and no one wants to admit fault.

Regardless of whether BTown members are tagging over BOW tags or BOW members are tagging over BTown tags neither of our groups appear to be happy with the current situation. Now I do not mean to sound rude when saying this but I hardly think that it's fair that you start spreading blame without any concrete facts or evidence. Not only that but you come on to our forums and give us an ultimatum of stop tagging in "your" town or to vacate it all together. I was not aware that proprietorship was a function in that game and that we could aquire entire suburbs. When was this added???

BOW's base of operations has been the suburb of Earletown since it's inception one year ago last December. Since then numerous groups have sprung up in the suburb of major note would be FireBrigade47 on of our greatest allies. BOW never claimed ownership of any of the buildings in our home suburb we're mearly stewards of all buildings and attempting to aid all survivors in the area, so when FB47 formed and wanted to help ease the burden of that stress it was extremely welcome.

Likewise when some of our members moved south to Pashenton our goal was to set up an active revive point for survivors in the area and ease some of the problems that other survivor groups in the area were having and have had great success in dealing with them and with achieving our combined goals.

This was also our intent with the suburb of Chancelwood, because as you may have seen on our wiki, our success as a group depends on the success of all survivors. We only intended to help stabilize the revive point and the area because the more green areas around Earletown means we're making a safer city. Why then is it wrong to spread our message through means of tags in the game so that survivors may gain interest in our group and want to join us to help the city as a whole? Doesn't this benefit everyone?

BOW is not an imperialistic group and we're only expansionistic in the sense that we want to provide as much safe territory for survivors as is possible. We don't consider that we "control" any suburbs we're simply watching over them to give the survivors an upperhand.

As BOW comes into contact with survivor groups we do our best to conform to their barricade plans and their revive point set-ups as they were the first groups in the area and we respect others wishes. But tags, along with 'cade levels, are changed anonymously and quite often. So to simply blame us and attempt to bully us into submission is quite outrageous. I give you my word that I will do my best to inform all BOW members to stop tagging over BTown messages but part of this game is being willing to share the little space that we have, so I suggest you grow up a little bit and not try to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Sincerest regards,
Skippy Joe, co-founder B.O.W.

[buttaman]

I think that you guys should be aware of the history of this area. B-Town was here long before the BOW. In fact, when the BOW came to this area, you guys consulted us trying to get us to change our revive clinic to outside on one square. That, by the way, is when the truce was established. When the giant Zombie bash came through and killed everybody, it was our group that got the revive efforts off the ground and brought everybody back to life (and that is major thanks to Dr. B Necro). I personally revived many BOW members. We have been maintaining this area and maintaining the revive clinic long before the BOW was in our area so as one "ally" to another, please respect our area and before you tell us to grow up, you better reconize who has really been protecting this area and give us the respect that we deserve.

[Skippy]

BOW was established in December of 2005 and have grown incredibely since then. Now I assume the area that you are referring to is the area around the Curton Mansion which is where your revive point has been located for as long as i've known of you. No one is denying that you have been taking care of that area for as long as you say. What BOW is saying is that it seems counter productive to the game for survivor groups to attempt to claim "an entire suburb". Similarly BOW does not claim ownership of any building in any suburb we are in, though we respect the claims of other groups if they wish to take the responsibilty of maintaining the barricades of a few certain buildings. The best instance of this is FireBrigade 47, they maintain Shufflebotham Firestation and a few other buildings in the area.

BOW sees it's major priority in the game of Urban Dead as keeping the survivor population going, keeping zed numbers down, and trying to maintain an acceptable barricade level (or follow barricade plans) for any suburb we enter. Our major priority, as it has been for an entire year, has been to provide a revive point that is well known and well operated and we have done that at Ames plaza.

As i'm sure you and your group knows after awhile that can tend to get boring and tiresome. This has led us to expand into neighboring suburbs in order to help secure those areas for the survivors and survivor groups in those areas.

BOW has no problem working with groups in these new areas that we venture to since they have been the securing well known force in that area. However, we will not be yelled at and ordered around. Especially over something as meaningless and trivial as this incident. No one can tell who has been tagging what where, for all we know random people are ones responsible for the mistaggings. We have already promised that our tagging would stop but we can do no more than make promises as tagging is an anonymous process. I wish I could give you a better assurance than that but there is really nothing else I can offer you.

The best thing that we can do is to continue to have this dialog. I'm sure neither one of us or our groups really want this to escalate any further as this whole issue is ridiculous and getting out of hand. Please feel free to continue this discussion here, either I or another member of our organization will be here to speak with you. This is the best method to speak with any of us.

[yell101]

If you ask me. It could be zombies spys.Trying to get both of us in a war with each other. Don't belive me?Then check out the new zombie group that coming through. Which I warn you is a striker team for the RRF and has crack the suriovrs strongholds in Rolt Heights. Strongholds which hadn't been crack since the second bigbash came through. So we are dealing with a very skilled group of zombies. So I say we put this behind us quickly and work together agaisnt this new threat.

[buttaman]

We want no issues either. We are a zombie killin and reviving group. We want to work with the other groups around are area to ensure the saftey of the survivors. What we can't have is people going around and pissin off the other groups around us. From everything I have gathered, it is a new guy to your group (DiegoDiego) who is doing the tagging. B-Town has had similar problems with some of our new recruits as well so we are sympethic to this problem. How about this, lets just agree to watch our new players actions and our groups will try not to step on each others toes. Does this sound fair?

[me101]

diegodiego lol i noticed the other day that he had a BOW tag.. he's also on our wiki page, sh*t gotta see where his loyalties lie... the plan sure does sound good.. but if it continue then i have a drawn up area that you'll have to confine to spraypainting and likewise we'll stay out of

[me101]

me101 said:

diegodiego i noticed the other day that he had a BOW tag.. he's also on our wiki page, sh*t gotta see where his loyalties lie... the plan sure does sound good.. but if it continue then i have a drawn up area that you'll have to confine to spraypainting and likewise we'll stay out of

www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=716500 i hope this is not a group thing.. is he with you or us? and if he does anything while under a BOW tag i will hold you responsible for it

[coopercat]

How do you know it was diegodiego? If he was tagging recruitment tags, then I expect his loyalties lie with BOW, otherwise he would have done some less tasteful tags. diegodiego has been very helpful in healing and keeping the factories with generators in the past. Plus many of us have tagged areas in Chancelwood and Earltowne, not just newer members.

Also, as Skippy mentioned it is pretty much impossible to tell who tags. We have had our tags replaced over and over by Btown tags in Earltown and Chancelwood. I can assume it was your team, but there is no way to know for sure.

[me101]

what i was thinking was that he took on BOW to cover for his actions against us or other survivours and to make BOW look bad.. but that might not be the case; but im holding that view until im sure otherwise

[buttaman]

I was in a room where DiegoDiego came in. Instead of typing the tag "BOW town baby" in the graffti box he typed it in the speak box. When I logged in I saw that he had spoke it and then tagged it all over town. He probably is just trying to help promote your group but he is tagging all over B-Town to do it.

[kkhan]

Why don't we double support each other, i.e. "BOW & B-Town UNITED" (if it fits). Another thing would be to tell us what are YOUR buildings. If we know that we can even help you guys by putting your tags up for you. This is only a problem due to lack of communication, you should have a wiki page, it would help out a lot. Thanks

[coopercat]

buttaman.... What exactly is the location of B-Town? Isn't B-Town a group or do you consider it a location? He was probably just tagging over Chancelwood and Earletown.

I believe we agreed to stay away from the hospital, mansion, and the NT building. Let us know if someone tags over your tags there.

[Dr B Nekro]

I don't think being obsessed about each others territory is a benefit to the humans in Malton. We should cooperate and in fact I thought we did already.

We use the spraying primarily to advertise for Curton Mansion as revive clinic...and certainly to advertise for our group. I reckon that the promotion for the clinic should involve at least 7 blocks around the Mansion. Tags that include our group name should be alright for you in the North, West and South of the Mansion(?). We will minimise group name tags to 3 blocks from the Mansion towards East.

If it comes to territory in means of group activity, you're always welcome to help to keep the Mansion going. And of course, if there is anything we can do...please let us know.

In terms of the diegodiego situation we kindly ask BOW to handle the situation. Somebody spraying BOW Town inside and around our HQ is pretty insulting to us. And finally it's waisting a lot of AP.

[coopercat]

Dr said:

We use the spraying primarily to advertise for Curton Mansion as revive clinic...and certainly to advertise for our group. I reckon that the promotion for the clinic should involve at least 7 blocks around the Mansion. Tags that include our group name should be alright for you in the North, West and South of the Mansion(?). We will minimise group name tags to 3 blocks from the Mansion towards East.

So you are asking for all of Chancelwood? I don't think so.