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Post by coopercat on Feb 19, 2007 20:42:02 GMT
We use the spraying primarily to advertise for Curton Mansion as revive clinic...and certainly to advertise for our group. I reckon that the promotion for the clinic should involve at least 7 blocks around the Mansion. Tags that include our group name should be alright for you in the North, West and South of the Mansion(?). We will minimise group name tags to 3 blocks from the Mansion towards East. So you are asking for all of Chancelwood? I don't think so. Plus, I haven't heard anything that would lead me to believe that diegoodiego did anything wrong.
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Post by pepper on Feb 19, 2007 21:06:05 GMT
If we're talking three-odd squares from the Mansion, that's giving you a 8x8 grid that ONLY YOU can tag in. That's absurd, practically an entire suburb.
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Post by coopercat on Feb 19, 2007 21:15:35 GMT
It is more than that. another team member told me that 7 spaces west, south, north (there are only 4) and 3 to the east. Including the mansion, this equals 154 blocks.
After I heard that I almost didn't believe it so I got a map out counted it myself. It includes ALL of Chancelwood, 30 in Raines Hills, 6 in Pasheton and 20 in Earltowne; I got 156 blocks.
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Post by pepper on Feb 19, 2007 21:22:40 GMT
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Post by kkhan on Feb 19, 2007 23:05:33 GMT
Just one question.... are BOW and B-Town territorial gangs? Last time i checked, it was no. Do we really need to get riled up over spray tags. Now if BOW members were Pking B-Town Boys, that would be a problem (very unlikely to ever happen). But spray tags............. lets focus on revivng and supressing zeds before we start accusing eachother of "Invadin' thier 'Turf'". Lets just respect and protect.
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Post by pepper on Feb 19, 2007 23:16:58 GMT
Part of the point of expanding our operating border is getting new recruits. Part of getting new recruits is tagging. B-Town are precluding us from tagging by threatening war.
I'm leaning towards staying now.
God I'm indecisive.
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Post by buttaman on Feb 20, 2007 0:07:07 GMT
The area that we have always considered B-Town has been 3 blocks any direction from the edges of the Mansion (with 1 or 2 buildings aside)and that is where we would like to keep it. Are you guys down with the agreement that we won't tag outside a 3 block radius of the mansion (that is latitude 64 to latitude 71 and longitude 1 to longitude 8) and you guys won't tag within. This is pretty much the area we have always claimed. I hope this is agreeable with you guys because I am sick of bickering with a Friendly group about recruitment tags. I would rather us plan a Zombie Hunt and get to whats really important.
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Post by Skippy on Feb 20, 2007 0:14:44 GMT
The entire issue that's being brought up here is this; does tagging neccesitate dominance of an area? Like i've said in previous posts of this very thread BOW does not claim ownership of any territory we don't even have an HQ. We simply reside in a suburb and are wishing to expand our area of influence by gaining more members that are like minded and wish to purge the scourge, heal the weak, and revive those that wish it.
Tagging is the easiest way for us to increase numbers because everyone can read a tag while it is up, it's the same method of exposure that advertising agencies use in real life. You put the idea up that you want to get out in an area where many people will see it in order to get your message out. This is much more effective than simple word of mouth.
We have already said that we won't tag over B-Town messages as we respect their right to get their message out as well. But we cannot control the actions of people that don't belong to our organization. In fact I often see BOW tags sprayed over with anti-BOW messages. That's just the way the game works, we put our message out there and people can learn about us from our wiki and our forum and if they like what they see they'll join, if they don't they may either move on to another group or slander our name. It's the freedom of democracy in a post-apocalyptic world.
We're trying our best to be diplomatic about this situation but you B-Town Boyz need to work with us here. You can't just go around making demands with out also making concessions that's just the way that diplomatic means work. It's a little give and take. But if all you try to do is take then we'll never reach any kind of agreement.
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Post by buttaman on Feb 20, 2007 2:02:06 GMT
We are working with you here. All we have been asking is that you guys stop putting up your recruitment tags in the general area that we reside in. We consider the area, that we have been regulating, the area in a 3 block radius of the mansion. We know that not all the tags that are put up are done by your group. Hell, people don't even read our tags inside the mansion that says do not barricade (I guess I should put it in French or something). We are just asking that the BOW recruitment tags are not on every building within the are we are regulating (and that does include our HQ). Is that too much to ask?
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Post by me101 on Feb 20, 2007 4:49:02 GMT
no its isn't.. i think that we can let 3x3 block pass around he mansion.. see what skippy was saying is right its an advertisment.. and we're constantly spreading our area and member base.. since your not planning on spreading your area then just advertising the mansion should be enough for you
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Post by Joe East on Feb 20, 2007 13:05:35 GMT
So the situation is this: - B-Town Boyz want exclusive tagging rights in the area [64-71,1-8], which is a 8x8 square with 16 blocks in Earletown and the rest in Chancelwood, in order to advertise your revive point at Curton Mansion. (Based on buttaman's last statement) - BOW don't like this because we use tagging as our main form of recruiting, and the aforementioned area is quite central in the area where we are likely to get new recruits as it is a fairly large part of our main area of influence.
Have I got this correct? Are there any other points which are crucial in this conflict?
How about the following agreement: - BOW make it clear on this forum that the aforementioned area is not to be tagged by our members. - B-Town Boyz are given full tagging control in the aformentioned area (to the degree that BOW is able to give away such control), but are obliged to include and maintain some BOW tags amongst their own (perhaps a set number would be easiest to pull through). Some of these should be on locations where they are likely to be read by people in the area. - Both parts are to trust that the other will hold their part of the deal. If BOW find too few BOW tags, they will politely inform the B-Town Boyz, who will look into the matter (fix number of tags). If the B-Town Boyz find too many "unauthorized" BOW tags, they will politely inform BOW, who will restate on this forum that the aforementioned area is not to be tagged.
Note: This is not a proposal from BOW to B-Town Boyz, but from me individually to the parts of the conflict in general. I have been inactive for some time and am pretty new to this discussion.
I hope the B-Town Boyz see that all BOW can possibly do in this matter is telling their members not to tag in the area and trust that they "obey". As previously stated, this game is designed in a way so that one can't prove who tag and who don't. Also, I hope you see that you can't expect all our members to remember the B-Town coordinates by heart. If you find "unauthorized" BOW tags, it could very well be a member of BOW who made them without realizing they were inside the aforementioned area.
After all, you are in effect demanding that a fairly large number of players do things the way you want them. Understand that BOW is a collection of individuals working together, not a group following a single mind. We play after what makes the game enjoyable, not a set of rules.
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Post by Dr B Nekro on Feb 20, 2007 19:40:19 GMT
Oh...you're right coopercat! My apperception of dimensions seems to be getting out of my hands...
Let's say 4 blocks to the North and West, 3 blocks to the East, and 5 blocks to the South.
And I hope I got that right: I'm not speaking of territory in means of running around and doing good to the people of Malton. The mentioned "territory" is only for the spraying action.
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Post by Dr B Nekro on Feb 20, 2007 20:15:32 GMT
Sorry, missed a lot of the discussion so please forget about my last contribution.
B-Town actually is "a collection of individuals working together" and "not a group following a single mind" as well. "We play after what makes the game enjoyable, not a set of rules." So there're some simularities...
In my book I basically agree with what Joe East is saying. However, first, I do think the efforts of keeping the tags up and fair should be followed by both groups. Second, our group as well is trying to recruit people to help to improve the effectiveness of the Mansion.
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Post by coopercat on Feb 20, 2007 20:24:04 GMT
Let's say 4 blocks to the North and West, 3 blocks to the East, and 5 blocks to the South. 99 blocks?
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Post by Dr B Nekro on Feb 20, 2007 20:45:43 GMT
Sorry, missed a lot of the discussion so please forget about my last contribution. No, coopercat!
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